PC and cage matching

you ask "How is it being smart"
You seem to answer that yourself. A player choosing to play this way does not need to put loads of effort into getting strong Total strength. While still having a limited ability to fight and win.

It is a war game, the players that are doing this sure seem to be having fun, using the cage option to the gain an advantage they would other wise not have.

Would I do it no. But its a game with a wide rage of option that give you an advantage or not.
In any game, players have different playing styles.

If they are enjoying the game by playing a certain way within the rules and restriction. With the OP labouring the point "There us no harassment or bullying in a fighting game"

Then what is the issue?
How much harm can they do, compared to a strong player excessively att a weaker player in range?
Or a group of players target listing low level players?

Players can mitigate the effect by:-
increasing their defence sp and defence loadout and setting def loadout. They have that choice.
set counter
parking on there page and kill them when they heal.
List them. Anyone going for the bounty will have an easy time of it.

If it was add as just a baby feature, then it would have been only available during the 30day protection period. So the fact you see it as a baby feature is irrelevant.

Now the cage option is severely limited. So the issue of abusing the feature has been mitigated.
It is far more restricted compared to the restriction on a strong player attacking /kill a weaker player in range or listing much weaker players.

How is that any different to a stronger player using battle attacks to do the same, or a stronger player constantly attacking a weaker player in range ( which can be much much worse)

If you cant handle being attacked a few times a day. then maybe you are playing the wrong game.

It seems they can handle it, they are using one of the option the game offers and accepting its short falls.

I will quote the OP again here > "There us no harassment or bullying in a fighting game"

cage you constantly ?
Remind me, how may time can a player cage ? ( rhetorical )
How many battle attacks can a play rain on another ( 5k per day in PC )

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What game are you playing? Why are you posting here if you believe "There is no cagematching in a fighting game"

How many fight game do you know where each feature of a fighting game uses "all of a characters attributes"

There are players that use the attack and hide strategy using battle attack so what is the difference, except that cage is extremely restricted.
So you park on their page when there health is getting low and kill them as soon as they heal. Unless you don't have the skill set to be able to get them this way.

I'm pretty good at kill player that think they can attack and hide from me.
With a player that has very low totals is should be even easier.

They soon leave you alone

But is seems you want the fight game to all go your way.

This paragraph just seem to be narrow minded and illogical.

Of cause it is a legitimate option.
It just does not fit with your playing style, set-up and or skill set.

Of cause there are ways to counteract it. Far more so that for a weaker player in range of a much stronger player.

It is your choice to "spend time building pirates that use every attribute"
Are you say by this you still use cage? or do you not use every attribute of the game?

Some players chose to not join an armada, some chose not to craft items, some chose to not play BA. Should they not play because they don't use every attribute of the game? or are there exceptions to your statment "One that only uses a few variables in the game should really not be in it."

What you really seem to be saying is, it not fair that a player is playing smarter and get the better of you. All be it with a very limited ability.

It is a fighting feature and is a feature of the game. Its just that it annoys you, that you are unable to counteract it.
Why not make it so no one can att you, maybe that will make you happy.

"you cannot park on someone who is not there." If they are not there then how can they cage you?

 

As far as I am aware the 37% boost option is only available for battle att not cage. If it is available in the fb version for cage then that could be changed.

Considering your statment > "There us no harassment or bullying in a fighting game that excuse falls flat"
not that I agree with it.

Why do you say they are not to bright? Seems they are getting the better of you and some others. If not then what is the problem?

If they are losing then what is the problem?

Lazy I would say efficient in their playing style.

Surely as long as they are playing with the tools that are available and playing within the rules, they should be allowed to chose a different playing style to the one you have adopted.

After all cage is extremely limited as a fight option.

If it had just been added purely to " AID new players till they got their full clan" then why was it not set up that way?
I will add that it would seem these players have not got to full clan assuming what is being said here is true. So they are using it as intended by the statement you post.

Why do you call it a loop hole it is a legitimate feature of the game. What is ambiguous about how it functions.

They cant be hiding all day or they would not be able to cage.

The same game of attack and hide, can be and is achieved with battle attacks.

If they are only caging then the game must be costing them much more real money to level fast.

I still do not understand what exactly you see as the problem with cage being used in this way consider you statement > "There us no harassment or bullying in a fighting game that excuse falls flat"

Please could you clarify what you see as the issue this limited att option is creating, Compared to using other fighting methods.

 

almost 500 days.
I'm in the top 10 for lvl rank in PC.
I don't play FB
I use cage to adjust the targets health when going for a kill shot. I've never used it in isolation, unless I was close to an achievment and then only for the cage count.

If someone need to use cage on me to win an attack as far as I'm concerned they are easy prey. They don't do it for long as they get killed to often even if they try to cage and hide.
If you are actively playing then their attack show as a pop up message instantly with their link tab. Usually I can click the tab and att before they get back to hospital. Once they have tried I am aware they are active and I keep an eye out for when they heal.

If I'm not active and there is someone trying to attack hide then I'll put myself in hospital until I am active again.

I have reasonable good defence, always have, so even if I'm loosing against a cage attacker they cant kill me with cage. So they are wasting their time and giving me the opportunity to kill them.

 

Did anyone else read that?, I didn't, keep it simple not a book..............

 

Yes they can cage with a boost , they do it all the time, and I am talking about people playing 4 or 5 years not 500 days geeeeze when a level 13 K is still caging, cause they won't do anything but level and add to attack, there is a problem.

 

Okay I've responded umpteen times to the same points you keep repeating so I'm not going to bother doing it again. As Jade pointed out no one is going to read through a book. But I will respond to this one:

There was no "30 day protection feature" back then when cagematching was introduced. If you're going to try to make a point about the game at least know what you're talking about. The 30 day protection feature, like cagematching, was added later on after the game started. So I guess my point is not irrelevant, is it?

And you still cannot make any defense about cagematching even after scrolling through that novel you wrote other than the basic point that you are weak and you need it to go against stronger players. And that is not good enough. As Jade also pointed out and I agree with, if you leveled yourself too fast that is your problem. The game should not be providing crutches to players racing nowhere fast by leveling. Period. You want to level fast then you pay the price.

And finally dude. The full court press that you are engaging in defending cagematching seems to be bordering on desperation. You only parachuted into this thread a few days ago under the guise of playing "devil's advocate" after Mitch wrote that the devs were thinking of locking it out after all of the achievements were reached. Maybe cagematching is much more integral to your gameplay then you are letting on. Either way come up with some new talking points.

 

I can't remember the last time I either caged or was caged. But now, I'm thinking maybe I should start up again, even though I win most battles without full clan. Feel free to send me your game links if you are down for caging! Iiiiiiiiiiit's TIIIIME! Let's get ready to ruumble!

 

This tread was started a few months ago, well after the 30 day protection was introduced, well after extreme restriction had been placed on cage use.
I do know what I'm taking about. You perception it as a baby feature is way out of date, It is irrelevant to the current debate. I perceive it as a gaming option. That has been around more than long enough for players to modify their set up to counteract it if they chose to.
Not an option I use in the way it is being debate, but I like that others at least have an option to fight me. It is a fight game.

It is interesting you refer to my post as a novel when I was just responding the novel as you call it that you wrote.

I notice that you have not responded to any point I raise that you do not have an answer to.

Where do I ever say I am weak, where do I ever say I used cage in the way that this thread is debating. For you information I am significantly stronger that all player below my level. But do have reasonable good personal defence and a good defence loadout. Because when I considered where to use my SP and I consider all aspects of the game.

A player using raids to level fast and us cage to at least have a limited ability to still fight back, is just a different playing style to players that have had the luxury of having played the game longer. So have been able to get strong as they level.

If you have chosen to not add enough personal def and not get a good def load out, then as you say "it is your problem."

And final dude. It would seem to me that it is you that is desperate to get a game option remove, that give another player an advatage over you. Because you have chosen to ignore how it can be used against you.

The reason I parachuted in to this thread as you call it, was because even though I do not use the game option cagematch in the way that is being debated.

I would not want to see it removed from PC ( I dont play fb so what happens there is of no consequence to me )

The thread title is "PC and cage matching" not fb and cage matching. so it could affect the the game I play on.

I want to play a fight game not a wacker game where I hold the hammer.

As it is still being consider and this thread seems to be a one sided debate. I want to put a different view on the subject so all is considered before a final decision is made.

Simply removing the option to be able to use 37% added att from a cage should be enough to level the playing field enough.

Then if it is still a problem to you because you have a pour personal defence and loadout making bad chioces with SP use "it is your problem." it is a fighting game.

 

Send me your game link, and I'll see how much you like caging.

 

That does not even make sense. You pointed out wrongly that if cagematching was considered a "baby feature" then it would have been only given to those under 30 day protection. I pointed out to you, since obviously you didn't know, that the 30 day protection wasn't introduced into the game until years after cagematching had been. So it would have been impossible to just make the cagematching option available to brand new players. You tried to make a point on something you had no clue about.
And once again here I am repeating myself (as you keep doing in your posts) but the cagematching option WAS introduced as a way for baby pirates to help defend themselves against more established players in their range until they were strong enough to fight for themselves. However some players quickly saw the loopholes in the feature (such as when you hit a cager he gave poor XP) and started exploiting them. That is why your precious cagematching was whittled down to 50 a day.

And once again your trying to say that people have weak defenses if they lose a cagematch. That is ridiculous as anyone here will attest to. The majority of us have built our pirates to withstand all facets of the game, not for a feature that only takes into account a few so no I will not be adjusting my pirate to fend off cagematches.

I have responded to all of your points. That's why I wrote that long post. You keep repeating them whether you get a response or not. I am not going to continually keep writing War and Peace length posts to keep answering the same points.

Yes it is a fighting game. I'd be embarrassed to be trying so hard to keep caging in like you are doing here as an alternative to fighting. And I'd be embarrassed to be a high level and still using this feature.

And I'll repeat. Your argument has not changed. You want cagematching around because you leveled too fast and are too weak to take on pirates in your new level. That's your problem. "You" meaning everyone who has leveled quickly whether through Raids or other means. You cannot rely on the training wheels to keep helping you out. Learn to ride the bike already. The devs would be doing you guys a huge favor to forcibly remove them.

 

Do you play Pirate Clan of fb ?

 

Nope. I thought I saw that you weren't on FB, either. If you want, I'll cage you until eternity, and then maybe you'll see the other points of view mentioned.

 

The thread is current not years old. The fight option cagematch, how ever it began is now not a baby feature. Seem rather than debate the main issues you want to focus on this.

Like any new feature you adapt or lose out. it would seem the feature has been adjusted to better fit a fairer game for all. But in my opinion it is still a good addition to the game. Giving weaker players at list some way of fighting back.

There is the key point:- The feature has very limited use per day.

Any argument that can be used against the current cagematch, can also be used against much strong players, attacking weak players.
However in this case the issues are far worse, as the battle attack limit is massively greater.
With your response to this being "it is your problem."

Therefore the response to you not having the personal defence, defence load out and /or the skill set to counteract it " is your problem."

I do not have a problem fight against players with much stronger totals or high personal attack. It is a war game.

Here once again you contradict yourself.
Cagematch as you point out has been around a long time so you have not " built our pirates to withstand all facets of the game"

Your response to how stronger players attacking weaker players (when you consider we are comparing 50 attacks per day with a few k battle attacks per day) is "it is their problem."

Therefore the response to you regarding cagematch should be the same :- it is your problem.

You should be embarrassed that you are so upset that you are getting attacked 50 attacks a day at the most from a player using cagematch, and not being able to counteract it , or deal with it. " it is your problem."

There are a number of option to counteract cagematch even with the 37% boost you seem to have in fb.

You have decided not to have good personal defence and good def load out, that " is your problem."

Here is where you are total wrong:-

I am very strong for my level,
I have a well balanced personal attack / defence and a good def load out,
I am skilled at fighting ALL options that players have available to them including cagematch, even if they try to attack and hide with either battle attack or cagematch.

It would seem the dev would be doing you a big favour, leaving things as they are, then maybe in time you will learn how to fight again ALL forms of attack on you.
Rather than only being able to fight players that have no chance to fight back.

It is sad that a player /s that can only win against you ( if you dont set counters) 50 attacks a day, annoys you.

However you want to be able to attack weaker players a few k times, with them not not being able to fight back. and for you "it is their problem"

 

Im not on fb,

If you play Pirate Clan ( aromor/hong ) then I am more than happy to fight you and you can use anything you have especially cagematch and we can post back here how it turns out.
PM me here your Pirate Clan name and ill find you.

 

You are either purposely misrepresenting what I am saying or you do not understand what you are reading.

And saying that someone does not have a well rounded game because they lose cagematching to someone who is all attack shows you have no clue what you are talking about. Repeat after me: Cagematching only uses loadout and att/def in it's fight calculation. Do you understand that? Repeating this over and over is growing tiresome.

And I never said this thread was years old. You just said that. Go back and read the posts.

Apart from that I am not going to respond again to one of your lengthy posts and make the same points over that I already have. People can read through those threads and make their own judgements. You want to keep repeating yourself because you think maybe that will win you this argument then your delusional.

Your argument still is that weaker players need cagematching because they have leveled too fast. And I say that that is their fault. You should be able to defend yourself adequately when you reach the higher levels. If you find that all you are doing is caging and hiding then you leveled too fast. When you reach the higher levels you should be well prepared to do more than just cage.

Now, if you can't refute that (and apparently you can't) then stop wasting our time. And do not write another novel filled with assumptions about changes to the game you weren't even around for and had nothing to do with.

 

Yes fifty attacks is nothing but it is to the players who are attacked with the boost and can rarely if ever retaliate because cagers when they are done caging all the players they cage everyday who are strong players who do not hide , the cagers then hide for twenty four hours , when our attack is such a higher % than their's which I only know from hitting them off the undead cause they hide all day , that is a problem , I want to retaliate and cannot cause they are cowards who build lazy accounts . So I want them to come back into the game as an active participant , rather than a hit and hider so I can exact my revenge on amore equal enemy, rather then the loophole player they have become

 

I am not doing either.

I know exactly how cagematch works, If you had read my replies you would have know that.

Repeat after me cagematch is Restricted to 50 attacks per day maximum. and that annoys you?

When you are happy to be able to attack players that have grown fast from raids Thousands of attack per day and your response to them not having any way to fight back is "it is their problem"

I never said you did.

The cagematch has been around for years. It has been severely restricted before this thread even started.

So this thread that is current, is debating that an attack feature limited to 50 attacks per day, is some how so bad for players that have not got the set up or skill to counter it. That they want it removed from the a fight game.

While the players arguing for its removal making statements like >

If you chose to ignore an attack option that has been around in the game for years, when you could have mitigated this minimal use attack method "that is your problem"

why do you say I'm repeating myself when you are?

My argument is :-
Players in games have different playing styles. Why should one group dictate how another group play, when they are using the features that are legitimately available to them?
Especially with a feature of the game that has been around so long and that has already been severely restricted.

Who says they levelled to fast? You who is annoyed because they can get the better you.

When you reach a high level you should have been aware of all feature in the game ( including cagematch that has been around for years )and have a set up and skill set to be able to deal with it.

Players that chose to level fast are then more able to get stronger faster, but will have limited ability to fight until there strength catches up to their level.

Why should you dictate how others play a game, as long as they are only using the features of the game that are available to all?

You still haven't answer this key question > " Please could you clarify what you see as the issue this limited att option is creating, Compared to using other fighting methods."

 

Then suggest the 37% boost option is remove, not the feature.

Don't sit full heath opening yourself up to this type of attack while you are not active.
Its a war game!
You wouldn't stand in the middle of an open field with your eyes closed in a war zone. Its not hiding, its being smart. Adapt.

Add more personal defence and get a good defence loadout and set defence loadout when you are not active.

The players being attacked set counters.

If you are active then fight back straight away. Even with just a few counters you should have time to see and react to it.
list them when they are active.
Park on their page when they are active and kill then as soon as they heal to attack someone.

It seem to me the players arguing for its removal don't want them getting the better of you. Don't let them play smarter.

Its a war game, not a who can sit around the longest not doing anything with full health.

 

I am not gonna hide I will not leave my health down, that is crazy. You don't seem to get it the best shot we have is listing them, and that is if they even have enough health to do that. They are not getting the better on any of us, they are blowing thru stamina with 37 % boost , using extra stam for caging and a boost that is not smart, I don't camp on anyone, I have a JOB, A LIFE and I play often thru the day and evening, they wait till we are offline, use all their stam and hide for 22 hours. They are not better players just players that took a loophole for all it is worth, that is the lazy way and they are idiots, and we have been for a very long time trying to get kano to see this, none of the other games have cagematching, why is PC stuck with it, we just ask that once they get their achievements they lose the option to cage, a feature meant to help new players not players who are high levels. We want to bring them into the game, not keep hitting and hiding cause they are weak , do their damage and hide. They are not even worth attacking if they had any health the XP they drop is pitiful, cause all they do is add to attack , not that even matters cause they never have health. I have no problem with say a Level 7 k still caging if they did not have the achievement, I do not want anyone to miss out on that . BTW I have a feeling I know who is feeding you what to say, and I wave to him

 

All i see is another crybaby afraid to see caging go. It is a crutch that has needed to be removed from players for a long time. Kano has given every player every chance to improve their character in any method at any time. Caging is just a weak pathetic excuse to use because they are lazy. It doesn't take much effort to beat people. And yes i have a feeling who is also putting him up to it also. Another pathetic cager.