Battle Arena Discussion (Round 2)

@chris
-the surrender option is only available at the final rounds of the game, there were requests by players that they might want to end the arena and collect their reward rather then fight it out. This shouldn't happen much as now the xp rewards in the final rounds are greater.
-Min attack requirement
if 10 hours has passed since the arena has started and you have less then 100 attacks, your health is halved
if the arena ends or you are killed and you have under 100 attacks, you do not receive a ranking


@alka
-the save target link has been moved thanks for pointing this out
-automatically removing dead players from the save list has been added to the list for consideration
-we mentioned that while the battle arena is in beta and still under development, the start times will be during the day PDT but will still be staggered, ie. last PC arena was at 11am PDT (when most of America was at work/school and evening for Europe/UK) this PC arena is at 4pm PDT.


@jon
-someone who has a high health reward is going to be a high level target also (they have alot of skill points = higher level player), its going to be a tough fight for them. Knowing the reward also gives you an indication where you want to exhaust your attacks, for example why waste stamina on a lower level player for a small reward.
-people are going to coordinate and use all communication channels with friends regardless, we can't stop it, all we can really do is make it aware to everyone that theres an advantage with friends. If this is something that is a negative thing in the arena we'd look at restricting attacks to attackers and fight list targets. Lets hear some more discussion around this.


@bubba
-armor was a bug and has since been removed, thank you

 

So the start time is by PDT time.That's cool.I'm not at as much of a disadvantage as i thought.

 

So now the higher levels are at even a bigger disadvantage as now it's even more blatant who they are.

 

the whole idea of getting friends together to target a player, just turns me off, I am thinking I may not be joining, I liked it better when it was a free for all , I wonder also how when armada players get together in their chat room and decided who to take down how are they gonna decide who get theses kills lol no thanks not for me , this Pirate wench is not that kind of team player

 

those were my thought as I was coming home from work in the above thread, before I even read this post.


and one other thing what time is it EST and don't give me a calculator, just tell me in plain speak the last one started at 3:00 pm EST thanks cause people here want to know .

 

PDT is 2 hours behind EST. I looked it up on net for you.

 

I am sorry Eric in my opinion i do not believe it should be announce who has the top health in a game. I could be a level 1200 that has just added everything to stamina attack and health for bosses in pirate clan and you know this happens. They can easily have close to 40 thounsand health. This makes them an easy target for someone who has balanced there game or are a higher level then they are and pick them off for the health no it's wrong to be showing this info. You waste your stamina on whoever in the game that is on the fight list. Your basically painting a target on a player's back saying hit me hit me for higher health for you.

And i am not asking for restricing attacks on a player. I am saying you should only be allowed to hit players who are on your fight lists and for the search feature your only allowed to find a player if you have hit them yourself our they have hit you also. Not because someone gave you a name or a link to find that player. Again your going to be catering to the factions who like to ruin people game play. And arena was supposed to be a free for all. . It's not our fault that a bunch of (weak) and i use that word even though they are stronger have to gang up on one player to win a game where if they were alone they would probably get there ass handed to them in the arena.

 

Im kind of torn on this one, of course its gonna help me (higher level).....but I would also think its gonna help everyone to some extent as some of the lower levels will be able to key in on some weaker targets and get some health built up, that is as long as they are active early on. They will also be able to avoid hitting some of the more powerful players that would surely be their demise.


I actually preferred the idea of just being able to click on an opponents name and then seeing their health before u actually attacked, its kind of the same thing....but at least its a bit more involved .

 

I disagree with u here john. For starters there is absolutely no way to police outside communication. Secondly....its the absolute best strategy for less powerful players and the only way some of the absolute mammoth players will be taken down. Thirdly.....Teaming up would only make sense in a real arena as well and Im pretty sure it actually happened back in the day.

 

If u take away the search feature, the ability to see ones health and the ability to team up....then u have eliminated almost all the potential strategy and have basically all but doomed the little guy and insured that the highest of levels will win

 

I also agree with you Polish. Teaming up happens in the regular game (part of the armada in the first place). Kano wants games to be more community oriented, so if we take away all the means of communication between players then it is going against the Vision of Kano for their games.

 

I really like all the updates except for one that Im just not sure about yet ...Thats the showing of the health, guess we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.

When does the game feed become available? after the arena is entirely over, or does it become available individually once a player is eliminated? What info will it contain?

What if one of the final four concedes while being attacked......does the attacker get the health? I was for this idea, but i do see potential strategy/abuse in the case of a couple friends vs a rival is left in the final 4.


All in all I like the changes and appreciate Kanos continued work on this killer aspect of the game. If I have any complaint (and its certainly not that big of a deal) it would be the very short notice given b4 the start of this arena. I think some players would like to have saved some FP, daily rewards or made plans to be here . I entered....but I had made other plans just yesterday morning figuring I would have the 3 days notice we had on all the others. Like I said...no biggie, I threw my hat in the ring anyways and will hopefully get the time to get my minimum hits in and hope for the best

 

Polish my main thing about the ganging up on smaller levels can potentially draw them away from wanting to participate in the arena itself. That is my main concern on that issue and seeing the arena drop quicker with players not wanting to participate since it might always be a high level player winning and getting down near the bottom of the list and not seeing any smaller players down there. That is what the arena was supposed to give the chance for all players to possibly get there. Only time will tell on that one.

But my main concern is still the health attributes being shown. I do not believe it should be showing at all that is just my opinion it will open it up easily since as i said you have players that did not do the equally portions to there character some went health attack stamina some went stamina energy health. Some went all 4 portions. Only time will tell how this one plays out also. But i just see those players also looking for the ones with low defense but high as heck health

 

I always thought they wanted the players to communicate here in the forum, there is already plenty of communication in the games

 

I completely understand your point John. I i just think that its that option that actually gives the lesser levels a shot if they actually band together. An extreme example would be in MS PC where the #1 player (who won the 1st arena) is about 5k levels ahead of the next guy, there is zero chance he will ever lose unless the option is there.

Like I said earlier...Im struggling with the whole health being visible thing.... definitely some pros and cons, Im very interested to see what effect it has so I can have a more decisive opinion.


Although I must say....and im trying to start an argument....but Im a bit surprised to hear u using the argument that some players built there accounts heavy in one direction or another and it is affecting them negatively. I can think of another area of the game where it had the opposite effect but some players didnt like that either when it didnt work out well for them....lol

 

LOL. There is no way to police outside communication....its gonna happen, so they might as well embrace it and let everyone know its an option. If everyone does it...it will lessen the overall effect/advantage if just a select few were doing it. Agree or disagree....its simply gonna happen hun, so someone would be foolish not to do it if they have the capability of doing it because it is a big advantage

 

I see your point on what your saying polish and what we are talking about on that other area of the game. I am a balanced player so arena works for me. But i mainly go in for the battle drops because of the stamina i have i got a lot of them and some of them were rare that helps a lot in the game. As far as being on top in the leader board i do not care what i am rank. Would it be nice to get 50 easily favor points yeah but i can get that easily just by playing the game itself also. Now if they offered items with good attack and defensive sides as the winning prize then you can bet i would be gunning to be in that top percent. But back on to the point if your not a balanced player and you have that huge health attribute and it's showing you know your going to be a easy target to pick off if your not balanced and literally no defense. I did see someone post they had a huge health attribute but poor defense and they were out quick on the last one but i am guessing who ever killed them received a big boost of health.

 

I was responding to someone else's post saying it is kano's vision to communicate and I agree the communication is there already in game , of course, in so many different venues, chat rooms, groups, armada's etc, But Kano wants more people communicating here , that is what I think their vision is in for the forum community lol , and I think alot of people have come to the forum recently , since the Arena discussions started

 

if your arena ends and under 100 attacks, no ranking assigned...... so does that mean payout will be after the arena is completed?? i know there were alot on non attackers in the last one...

 

News flash.... The little guy is doomed with the lack of stamina and lower health.
The system allows alts to hammer a target making it easy for the real player to kill.
Arena never set out to be a team game, it's something that developed along the way.
Outside communication can be minimised to eliminate cheats to some degree.
Numbers will drop and a lot of those dropping off will be higher level guys. They become targets at the beginning or the prize is not worth the effort.
The little guys will drop off because they see no fun being slaughtered within a few minutes of the campaign starting.
I myself won't play the LCN Arena until the rapid attacking cheats and alts are sorted out.
Considering some of these apps have some 20k active players, Battle Arena is struggling to attract 15% of them. That has to say something about the format of the game as it stands.
Taking into consideration that those 15% have tried it, there will be a percentage that didn't get a chance to participate because of the start times, those who were targeted from the start and those who fell to foul play, who will be thinking twice as to the worth of entering again to play**. So the chances are after a few goes the competing entrants will fall below 1000.


@Kano Offering xp just to join is foolish as it will temp people who have no intention of taking part to join for a free handout. It will do nothing to eliminate the problem of inactive accounts, but will make it look from the outside that a lot of people are playing (which they won't be**).