Regarding defense mode in the arena

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Grand Master Fielding, Mar 9, 2014.

  1. Grand Master Fielding

    Grand Master Fielding Active Member

    Dear Kano - I was hoping someone could answer this question for me. I am a level 19600, with 207000 health and 28000 defense. In the last arena, I killed 85 different people. Can someone explain to me why I will only have 2 hours of Defense mode time, when 2 much lower level players (levels 4000 and 5000) will kill 2-3 people each, and have 4 hours of Defense mode time?

    I'm at a loss here - this makes no sense to me or anyone.

    I have no issue with someone having 4 hours of D mode time. But why don't I get the same, and why don't others get that same?
  2. kevinmalo

    kevinmalo Active Member

    Lol i cant believe you guys that have been playing for years and still dont understan how it works..

    Defense Time Modifier: (Min and Max values are 1 and 11) <---- this depends on your def skill points % against all your skills points
    Defense Mode Time = Defense Time Modifier * Armed Defense Strength
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  3. JADES

    JADES Well-Known Member

    Not a DEV, but the ratio of attack/defense is main reason, but your load out is a multiplier to the algorithm. Make sure have defense load out on before arena starts "If want longer defense stance", after that can change it for normal game play. Here's a example on my FB VC character.

    No load out

    Attack load out

    Defense Load out

    Hope this helps you out, to some questions.
  4. Grand Master Fielding

    Grand Master Fielding Active Member

    So you're saying if I switch to all defense load -that will increase my D mode time?

    Kevin - most people do not understand how that works, and quite frankly, it makes little sense to me - and to most people. I read what Matthew said - and am sure he's right - but to me and to most it's non-sensical.
  5. polishpimp

    polishpimp Well-Known Member

    Although 28k of Def. is a lot, its a pretty slim piece of the pie when it comes to overall SP allocation. Looks like your health takes a pretty big slice outta that pie. If i remember correctly you also had high stamina (2 sp per) and Energy. My guess is your attack is pretty high as well.

    When they were tossing around the idea of the arena I argued that the system was skewed towards lower levels (especially those below all the XP needed jumps) because stamina didnt actually count towards any of the arena attribute/perks yet the higher levels had much more need for large amounts of stamina. Now with the insane amounts of energy needed just to get dailies its only gotten worse. Basically its just another penalty on the higher levels (less for more)...or as l Kano likes to say.."more challenging".

    As far as Def. in general it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that arenas are extremely biased in favor of defensive builds (especially since the addition of the slider and lower participation numbers)in terms of getting more while doing less. The exception being of course the highest of levels who can usually power their way through despite the imbalance and all the handicaps. of course that also comes at a much steeper price in terms of time and stamina which pretty much negates most if not all the rewards.

    With the exception of the highest levels two players of the same level and equal in every other than one being defensive heavy and the other being equally heavy the other way (attack). The defensive built account has the way better chance to go further while doing and spending less.
  6. polishpimp

    polishpimp Well-Known Member

    Yes....defensive load out makes a significant difference but you will feel it on the attack side. Tinker with diff load outs including balanced.
  7. polishpimp

    polishpimp Well-Known Member

    Are these actual screenshots of your def. times with diff load outs? Do u not have any defense or is it very low? How u can have no def. time even without a loadout if its suppose to be partly based on overall skill point allocation %
  8. JADES

    JADES Well-Known Member

    Yes, Fielding go give a try, you will be pleasantly surprised. :D
  9. JADES

    JADES Well-Known Member

    Yes PIMP, these are my screen shots, as I said "load out is a multiplier", I'm very good at math. Go change your load out to zero across the board and see what you get. Then reply.

    And no PIMP my defense isn't low go ask any FB VC player, they will tell you.
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2014
  10. Grand Master Fielding

    Grand Master Fielding Active Member

    Wow Matthew thanks. So the fact that I have 35000 attack and only 28000 defense hurts me here is that what you and my dear Blimp are saying? And the fact that I have near 208000 health and 7500 stamina too also takes down my D mode time?
  11. Linda

    Linda Guest

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    Yes Load does make a difference, I forgot to switch back to def loadout for one arena and saw that.
  12. Grand Master Fielding

    Grand Master Fielding Active Member

    Linda and Blimp and Matthew thanks again. Not sure I understand it, but I get the point. Thanks again one and all.
  13. JADES

    JADES Well-Known Member

    Was messing around with the formula, got stats from a few friends and this is what came up with. Give it a try, see if I'm correct.

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  14. JADES

    JADES Well-Known Member

    I'm surprised no one has checked it out yet, unless didn't comment :confused:
  15. Maler

    Maler Member

    i tried it and it works. thank you.
  16. Grand Master Fielding

    Grand Master Fielding Active Member

    Matthew - I did change my personal load and it does work. My issue is not my defense time, more it's how people who are 15000 levels lower than I may have more defense time. Makes it tougher for me to slaughter them.

    Maybe I should have been more clear on that point. Either or, thanks again one and all for your assistance.
  17. Maler

    Maler Member

    you should've read better :p
    bigger defense time is given by 2 factors: personal loadout and the percentage of skill points allocated to defense.
    if someone has 1500 defense in personal loadout and 50% skill points in defense, even though he is lvl 5000, he will probably have more than 15.000 seconds of defense mode time.
  18. Grand Master Fielding

    Grand Master Fielding Active Member

    Terribly sorry Maler, I will bash my head into my desk until forgiven.

    Thanks for pointing this all out. Not sure I understand the logic, but at least I understand the rules - or I think I do?

    Either or, I kicked everyone's posteriors in the last arena - so it's all good. KANO PLAY arena that is, not FB.
  19. Demonik1

    Demonik1 Well-Known Member

    i see what youre saying, the more defense you have the more dmode you should with you on that one even tho i have a low defense for my level. percentage of skill points allocated shouldnt matter but i think thats their way of trying to keep it even for all if that makes any sense

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