Att Dev's Please help: New City, BA, Raid Bosses, Fight Weapon Drops etc

Hi Mi7ch and Co,

a few points to be looked at;

1. There was a comment that there would be a New City in LCN come end of May. Is this still on? When Antarctica was released (if I remember right) only 8 players were of sufficient level to unlock it. We now have 22 players in LCN 500 levels over Antarctica and would qualify for a new city. the timing would therefore be ideal to launch a new city and that city's boss.

2. BA has become terrible, as a leveling tool, if you willing to spend then its ok (ish) as its quick and easy. Not that the xp is really great. there is no need for strategy anymore and how your mob is set up is largely inconsequential as you can simply buy stam and keep attacking even if you die a few times.

A solution may lie in awarding % points for how long stay alive in the sudden death. the longer you stay alive the higher the % you would get. conversely, if you dont go into sudden death or do nothing in sudden death you would get a % of the points you have gained deducted. at least like that it would not be possible to have mob doing exceptionally well without bothering to do anything at all in sudden death.

it would be nice to get a ranking tap, like in Syndicate Wars of your current rank in BA. this idea is just that an idea but it may just cause a mob to keep trying to get a few more points over their anonymous rival.

3. Raids, still too frequent. but i think its generally accepted that they going to remain as a monthly item. the complaints on the other threads still need to be addressed and the xp returns for the higher level players is woeful. I recently started playing Zombie Slayer just for the Raids and at level 700 i can get 200 levels on a single raid cession without BUYING a single FP. I it must be understood here that a higher level in LCN is NOT asking for the same return on xp per stam, but rather that the imbalance be addressed to reduce the disparity.

Raids are as needed by high levels as they are to lower levels, and not because of the xp but due to the weapons drops. If a high level stops doing Raids, in a few months they will get whipped by much lower levels simply because of the weapons. This is already happening due to the Godfather Weapon Purchases, but will become more pronounced with the Raids. A higher level will do fewer Raids because the XP is bad and its costing the player in FP. A lower level player will do many more Raids because the returns are higher and they get free FP more regularly from leveling. therefore quite apart from the xp issue the Raids are totally lob sided in favour of a lower level player.

Various suggestions have been made in this regard, eg limiting the number of Raids one can participate in, giving weapons drops according to levels etc. Personally I feel Raids ought to be less frequent and a mob limited to how many they can participate in.

Also, please may you give us a weeks notice of when they will commence as that would enable players to save their daily rewards for the raids. or should be accept they they will start on the 3rd Thursday of the month?

4. Fight Weapons drops; i wonder how many players actually look at these under the fight tab? i doubt many and the reason I would assume is that most of these drops have lower values than the weapons drops for jobs in level range. If fight weapons drops are to have any significant meaning they ought to have better values than the best job drop weapon for your range. otherwise scrap them altogether.

oh well, I had a few minutes on my hands so thought i would put down my 2 cents.

cheers

 

BA sucks, i liked the old way, New City been way overdue, as for raids i have stated over and over different ways to approach these issues I for seen this coming from the beginning, there is not much they can do about the lopsided part of items the lowers get from these things. Really they can gain mass's without having to put any refill's into energy. The xp really suck's when you got to use almost 3 lvls of energy just to be able to level 1 time off attacking raids, 3500 stam and 1500 energy = 1 level Please start adding limits or make these a syndicate summoned boss, at least this would slow down the total amount 1 can join but still give's you the chance to summon next raid without waiting and can level at will basically. Also would make syndicates worth alittle more

 

Yes I agree BA has been ruined what once a great thing in this game and a lot of fun has become a joke. There is no skill to it or strategy anymore. The one who is willing to spent the most on refilling to keep attacking wins. Wow what a concept there lets reward the people who spend the most so they can win BA. We understand you are a business and here to make money but news flash Kano the ones that are spending will continue to spend. You don't have to cater to them and change everything that took startegy to now being about just spending and you can win. You need to change BA back to what it was. You changed something that did not need to be changed just so people would spend more money on refills. So if its all about the money now and not about the players anymore then congratulations you got what you were looking for. If you want to make it about your players that have been here since the start of this game and went through all the growing pains of this game with you then please change BA back to what it was.

 

Agree with most of the above. The only thing I'd say about raids is that I like them monthly but think the 8 day (or whatever it is) raid window is far too long.

 

I would luv the raids to be maybe 4 times a year, , if they are going nowhere, and yes low levels can level fast, but they are gonna hit a wall soon in most game, as far as XP to level, they have NO clan, they have nothing crafted, they had done no reg bosses, adventures or fighting, they only come out when the raids are on, so they are never gonna be as strong as those of us who have put the years and hard work into our games, so in a short while they will round out fight lists for many, and take a beating

 

My responses below are in Gold.

 

many thanks for the feedback Mi7ch,

just a short response. Great news on the new city.

BA is really a big issue. its a pity you not on some of the game threads to see how much the new format isnt liked. it really does need some serious revamping along the lines of going back to the old BA or a mixture of the two.

I don't recall seeing a post on Raids in the TGIF post before. but either way, if its in the TGIF of the week before the raid is due to start that will be great. Hopefully the xp issue will be sorted soonish with the raids. though it has been awhile that players have been speaking of this.

on the fight drops... great if the stats could be improved.

as always thanks for trolling though our numerous posts.

 

Everythings ok in my opinion, Kano do what they can and if u ask players who been there from the very start then many of them say the game has always delevoped, in the beginning there was like nothing, then they added all those things we got now. I think this is an ongoing evolution that hasnt even seen a glimpse of the popularity the games could reach one day.

 

well put!

 

first of all.... great post by Xipe Totec..... agree with him on all pts mentioned.

Mitch.... i stopped playing the BA's almost a year ago now.... the xp sucks.... and as stated... if it's not a one win all, what the hell is the point of it ? i will never get sucked in again to BA until it is played as it was meant to.... and not a ...
'oh well, i'll wait to be alive again, and go back in, and wait it out, and hide, blah blah blah' type of event. it's been turned into a joke, and not worthy of even a glance from me anymore.

and NO mitch.... the issues with the raids CANNOT wait, and for all the reasons stated. i will not sit here, and spend money for FP's... to sit and watch low leveled NEW players zoom along, rip off all the great weapons YOUR PRESENT HIGH LEVELS HAD TO BEG FOR, and disparage what we strived for for 4+ YEARS.... and they are doing it in months ???????????????? mitch..... seriously.... it's summer, so many of us have so many other things to do, and spend our money on, then to watch kano make a complete mockery of all we did.

put the raids ON HOLD........... and let the devs sit back and rework them, inclusive of the changes we're asking for , ie: limits PER LEVEL on the drops available, and giving your HIGH levels ( you remember us, right ? ) the considerations and assistance WE ARE ASKING FOR.

there are plenty of other games in FB we can go spend our money on, and if we all leave en mass to go elsewhere, because we like each other, and want to be able to stay and play together.... well.... let's allow the devs some time to chew on that.

and yes, your high levels are all speaking amongst ourselves, and we are NOT Happy Campers.

and oh yeah.... those fight drops we get off the fight list fights.... lmao.... seriously, NONE of them are useable by so many of us.... lmao, but again.... lemme guess... oh yeah, the devs don't give a damn.....

 

No need to thank me!

I am aware of the sentiment around the Battle Arena, however the current version was designed from the outset to be a mixture of the new and old types to some degree. We invested a lot of development time into the Arena reformatting and had to allocate it elsewhere, one of the few downsides of being a fairly small team. What in your eyes would get the Arena closer to being more like the old type?

It's only been recently (late Feb) that I started posting Raid announcements in the TGIF. This may have been missed while I was away, but this week's TGIF will certainly contain the date for the next Raid Boss.

 

I have hard time finding the raid start date myself i will look in TGIF more often and read more clearly incase i have missed it.

 

Why cant there be a raid countdown like the rest of the event like SW's and BA make a tab just for raid boss's to that show the health of the boss and how many attacks and heals you have done underneath each one so we dont have to open each one of the mass amount of mad raids we are in just to check to see if it needs to be healed, or if you havent got enough attacks or heals in, it would save alot of time and help with the mass insanity that comes with the 8 day event.

 

Raid's pop up on homepage and adventure tab when they start Jamey, so actually there is a reminder. SW's and BA have no such thing, just a countdown (no reminder)

 

Cheers for replying on all issues (not that common when dealing with support systems, so it's genuine appreciation).

1. Good. Been long overdue. I've more or less stopped doing anything in LCN because of the lack of new location, BA and raid changes.

2. "This subject has not come up recently in our talks..." This one I find quite odd, considering the pretty much damning feedback you have received since the changes were implemented. Guess the feedback from the players aren't the most important thing, eh? Especially considering those who found it an easy way to waste loads of cash has probably made you ignore the feedback. I don't know how many times it needs to be stated, but the BA's are completely ruined. Not that you won't get people spending, nor joining, it's just not fun anymore. Why not add a clicker option so people can legally let the computer do the work while at the same you would challenge the player to hit refill stamina in the right time (manually of course)? Atleast then you would still get the cash while the experience would be pretty much the same. Sure, the same 2-3 players would win each time if you change it back, but atleast it was based on skill allocation, strategy and quick thinking. Why did you change it all? Surely it wasn't based on players' feedback? I will never play BA again with the current state of it. Ehm, not entirely true as I sometimes join the odd one (maybe 1 in 10?) when I find myself with too much stam and nothing else to waste it on. Haven't played one in a few months, though. And I refuse to refill stam for it.


3. "Still no ETA". Whoa, what a surprise. Considering that has been the main feedback since Raid #2 I do find that a bit rude. Atleast tell us that you don't care what we say, instead of saying "it's in the works with no ETA date" each time the subject is brought up. I will not spend anything on raids until you change it.

4. Haven't really paid attention to it as I don't think this will affect anyone but the heavy levellers and even then it won't matter much.

MY OWN:

5. Old GF items vs. new ones. This one irks me a bit. You have promised several times now (over a period of 1,5 years) that you will be looking into upgrading old GF items that are starting to get useless or have significantly less value than when they were purchased. Please note that this will not help me much, in fact, it will probably make me weaker against most in my range, but this has been way more overdue than a new city. What annoys me is that you have promised to fix it ("look into it") several times but now, after almost two years, the only fix you have come up with is "trade your old items in for a 20% GF refund". To be honest that is an absolute insult to your long-standing loyal players. Please stop with this charade. Like I said this doesn't concern me that much as I barely bought any items the first two years (bought a few the next couple of years but no bigger quantity than 10 each time) but we really need some parity here or you will lose your longest-serving players.

Just to illustrate:

A level 2500 in LCN can now beat a level 6700 with pretty much the same amount of GF items and with the latter player having over 10k more in both attack and defense allocation. Surely you see how wrong this is? We're heading towards in-game deflation (said tongue-in-cheek of course) which we all know is the sum of all fears for Wall Street junkies worldwide.

6. The new loyalty items. What's funny here is that this was a pretty straightforward operation, yet you managed to completely cock it up. All you had to do was to increase the strength of the previous loyalty items. And since you insisted on releasing new ones, that could easily be sorted with giving the new and old items equal strength. But noooooo, you had to come up with a way to piss off the community didn't you? Whilst us veteran players just loooooove to be shown the middle-finger from Kano once in a while, this last change was a blow way below the belt. In fact, it has probably made me lose all faith in Kano. It's easy to understand decisions being influenced by potential $$$-flow but this was nothing else the than a big feck you to those stupid enough to fund Kano during the first 5 years.

I might sound like a broken record (I have that tendency - my apologies) but I will be removing my CC details from the games from now on. Unless you show a completely new side of the company, of course. But I'm not holding my breath. Still can't get rid of this (stupid) addiction the game but you sure do your best in pushing me towards the exit door.

 

Think he refers to the countdown timer we get for BA's and SW's, which would make it easier to save daily rewards for the upcoming event. Maybe a countdown timer can be introduced straight after the last raid boss session is over.

 

Four times a year would be a healthy frequence. Yeah, sure they will end up in our range significantly weaker than those currently in it, but for how long? A month before they jet off into the next level range? I tested raids on PC and VC just for laugh. Don't care about mob size, strength or losing to those on rivals, just wanted to compare both games to LCN. 2500 levels in one go, with 1000 godfather points to spare. Not sure when you hit a brick wall on PC or VC level-wise (as I haven't yet) but I'm guessing you can go from level 0-4000 in a raid weekend for free (for each stam refill you get 10-20 levels from level 1500 and upwards) if youre willing to sacrifice building your character for PvP action. Guess I chose the wrong game to play

 

I have seen 0 to maybe 2400 in a few days, for free, but 4k no way, not in VC or PC , where both have different XP needed than each other and different than LCN. I have seens 6 K to 14 k in a few months, which annoys the leveling partner accounts, since they spend years doing that, and it can done within a few months, but ya gotta spend big bucks, and are willing to sacrifice adventure and reg boss drops, So for the most part ,they are weaker now, then they were not strong for their levels when they were lower. Being a high level nowadays does not mean strong in the war of the raids, for some. I can only average maybe 200 levels if I go all out and do alot of raids.

 

Mi7ch can you give us the reason this is not high on the agenda to be looked at? Captain is correct many people have complained bitterly about it and ask everytime a new raid is ready for release, has the xp been sorted accordingly.

 

mitch, this post basically echo's everything i said above, and then some. i found it rather rude that you totally blew my post off without even the feigned decency of a response..... are you gonna ignore this one too ? and all the messages from foxy, and the rest of us who post here repeatedly for answers. if you feel we're being rude, mean, or abusive, by all means have a Kano Dev come to the forums, and see our words and give their direct responses, so we don't have to wait for a go between, and you don't have to feel 'bothered' by us.