[ZS] Faction Rank- The great compromise

As any zombie slaying active community member is aware, We have this debate going over a new faction ranking system. My previous idea of unlimited gamerpoints has produced a mixed feedback, and will not make it into the game. The work i do is very physicaly oriented, leaving the mind to wander. and today, I was circling around the idea of comming up with something better.

The roots of this idea, come from early American history. In forming the new congress, There was a giant power struggle between big states, and small states. Small states of course with the opinion that they should have an equal say as any other state, while bigger states in argument that they should have a much larger footprint. This is where the american senate, and house of representatives was created. It was called "The great compromise".


I would like to see some seperation between the all time rank, and the weekly competition, Credit hard-working players, while leaving room for busy people to be involved in powerful factions, Give the original players of the game credit for all the work that they have already put in, and still also credit the new players for all their momentum.



Here is the idea.


Every Section of the leaderboard will be counted in the faction rank. zombie kills, fight wins, hitlist kills, hitlist wins, outbreak helps, boss kills, boss helps, level, gamerpoints, achievments, challenges complete, challenges helped, The only leaderboard areas i dont think could be used is Vault, max listed, and max won.

What you would do is have 2 seperate things going on, A count for the current season, and your all time stats, and a faction ranking for each area of the leaderboard.

For example, All the fight wins your faction got are all added together, and that is ranked against all the other factions, with a neutral tiebreaker of world boss attacks, on the off chance that you got exactly the same. this goes for every category.

Then at the end of the week, all the final rankings for each category is averaged... say you got 2nd in fight wins, 70th in zombie kills, 5th on outbreak help, 20th on challenge helps. 10th on hitlist kills, All of those numbers are averaged, and the faction with the highest average rank (lowest number) wins the cup for the week.

The all time greatest faction, would have the most alltime greatest players....so every win/hitlist kll/ zombie kill/ booss kill that you have, will contribute to your factions all-time status. this is calculated the same way as the weekly competition, The biggest difference being, that members would take thier stats with them if they chose to leave. and bring them along to the next faction they chose to join.

I know this is a HUGE idea. so please have a think on it. If you need clarification go ahead and ask, i will be maintaining this thread diligently.

 

this is an awesome idea id luv to see it go through

 

I'll be honest the faction contest has never interested me...but this sounds quite good, whether it replaces the current gamerpoints system or not it'd still be good to have a weekly leaderboard, but instead of individual names being placed on it the faction they represent is named instead

 

Thank you for the support.

 

I see u r a thinking man

That is a wonderful concept and I hope it gets so sewrious consideration....Nice brainwork Eraser....MMMMMM BWAYNEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ NOM NOM NOM

 

i dont know they seem to have a lot on thier plate
monday - improve crafting
tuesday - work on world chat
wednesday - golf day
thursday - meetings
friday - drink beer

im not sure they can fit you in eraser....

 

The unlimited gamer points Idea was simple, and somehow it can be "gamed" I guess by people riding the list, they think that would be too much fight GP.

This on the other hand, is complex NO way to game it.... Impossible. Nobody could even look at this idea right now and confidently say they think their faction can win it. Even the faction that wound up "alltime" greatest at the start would be in total surprise.

Its legit. eliminates alternates from ranking. Gives credit to anyone and everyone who deserves it, for any aspect of the game they try to accel in. and also leaves room for less active players to be in powerful factions.

Honestly If this doesnt go thru, I give up helping on "improving the faction competition". This is my final stand. shut this one out and I accept defeat. I just had to give it this one last try.

 

@Eraser I think your idea definitely has merit, and we absolutely appreciate you helping us think of ways to make the faction system more competitive. Unfortunately, there are a quite a few factors we need to consider when changing such an established part of our game. A rehaul like that wouldn't be feasible in the short-term, but we will be continuing to listen to feedback about it, and if there's major flaws in the gameplay we'll work with the community to fix them.

@Slave You were close, but our actual (completely fictitious) weekly schedule looks like this:

monday - improve crafting / long lunch / plan beer friday
tuesday - work on world chat / normal lunch / finalize plan for beer friday
wednesday - golf/paintball day (sometimes at the same time)
thursday - meetings to plan out logistics of beer friday / normal lunch / respond to slave on forums
friday - talk about how many beer each of us will drink / lunch / drink beer

 

Thanks for the feedback dan, quality updates take time to produce. This is something that I would like the efforts of the devs committed to. Taking less time working on the bandaid.

If you ask me. taking out this level thing, going back to the old way, but producing world boss attacks as a tiebreaker instead of time to tide us over until the system can be totally revamped. as of right now, I dont see many people satisfied with what you have on the table. Not even the players sitting on the top of the leaderboard. We just dont like it.

 

No day to practice just being awesome? I'm horrified, Dan.

 

wonder beard,

i just put up the cliff notes version, i didnt try to elaborate on the sked.....

and i defintely missed out on the replying to slave and his complaining about the lack of faction contest.....i think that would be an every day type of thing instead of just slotting it in on thursday....

 

How about a wee compromise, keep the current gamerpoints system but add another tab to the leaderboard.

In this tab you have all the regular categories, however instead of slayer names it has the faction with the most collective wins/kills/bounties won ect.

Gamerpoints are good if you want a wee trophy to display on your faction page but it proves nothing really, this will show people exactly what factions are best at what.

also this leaderboard should only be updated once a week, to stop people looking and seeing what they need to do more of to get ahead in certain categories, it'll just simply show which factions does what the best naturally

Edit: just read this back and it looks like i basically just reworded the original idea...but i'm proposing to keep this additional leaderboard tab seperate from the gamerpoints system lol

 

i think thats the problem mini. Right now as a faction the only thing we collect together is gamerpoints. This new leaderboard would take a ton of new code, and i think it would require some inserts in the old code too. basically, It would be a nightmare project to be able to compile all of our stats together as a faction.

If more people jump on board with this, maybe we can see it next year. the whole deal, but it would have more people are going to have to say, "yeah its worth the dev time", and this is what they want to see in the game the very most, and be the next "arena" sized project, versus us getting something else.

 

I fear if somethings not done soon many of the current long time players won't be playing by next year... haha not me though I'm gonna be kicking ass till my fight list dries out...then leaving lol

 

@Relentless I don't need any practice, it comes naturally.

@Slave that's on the extended agenda.

@Survival + Eraser We'd certainly need quite a bit of feedback before doing any massive change, but it's definitely not something we're opposed to. It will, as you've acknowledged, take quite a bit of time, but we'll be keeping our ears to the ground to see if this kind of change is what the community at large wants. For the immediate future, quick fixes are what we're left to work with, and we'll consider other fixes if the current fix (levelling) isn't having the effect we'd hoped it would.

 

Hey I came up with "wonder beard" ya thief


Well now that I'm here I gotta ask if this is going to make its way to the other games once its finalized here.

 

a 6.8? I wish i knew what was wrong with this idea for people to be putting 1s.

 

will somone please tell me why they dont like the idea? Reading the feedback it looks great, but the ratings are way low I really dont understand.

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I'm not going to score this idea, but I do have a question.

When you say all-time Faction and ongoing scores, I would be interested to know what happens when a player leaves or joins?
An app I used to play had a gang leader board which added a players stats, which meant those stats were added to a gang, minus deaths, and also removed those stats if a player left.
This meant the leader board could be rigged with all the best players, or a gang could fall into the lower ranks if players rebelled. Guys had a problem getting into a Gang if their stats were poor or they had high deaths.
As you can see, this system sucked as it did not cater for ALL players.

Any system introduced should only include stats gained while in that Faction and held by that Faction if players moved on.
A system like that would be a pain to introduce, so the long and short of it is, there is no fair system that works for ALL players!

 

Well you see... Yes You would own your stats and bring them to what faction you joined for the all time board....


But, this would have no efffect on the weekly rank... I would only be the Gains for that week.

So, you have a double edged sword. You might want to add someone with 200,000 wins to your faction because they're stats are awesome... but you might also rather add a level 200 that cranks out 1,500 wins a day...

See the balance Im trying to create?

You might have 5,000 boss kills already, but how many bosses can you knock down now? 4? 5?

You would want that player... but you'dd also want that lower level player that has a dozen or so bosses that are easy to kill every day too.

zombie kills is the one section that would be like whoever has the most, gains the most, but its only 1 section of the board...and most likley, those players SUCK at all the rest of them lol.

This system would crate a value to anyone that has put in a ton of effort already, or is currently trying to move up... and to me anyway, those should be the top ranked factions.

So yes alka, You can make a faction that would be the altime greatest for sure, by bringing together the people with all the best stats ( if you really think thats possible, that all thees big heads can get along) but you wouldnt see much action going on be be in the weekly race.

No the idea doesnt suit everyone... You cant win with alts anymore... You cant win with no desire to climb the ranks in the game.

but Really, anyone that is trying to accell in anything, Will be rewarded. You might not win the overall cup for the week, but you can still strive to be number 1 at one thing, or a few things.

by the way, Thanks for the argument. Miss ya alka and I still say you should punch me... My link is in my signature in green.... Just give it a go, maybe You will come back to zs if you have somone to fight????