Boss bullies

So all of my clan members know. I have begun to remove clan members that allow players to attack their bosses unchecked. KANO has setup the abilities to limit bullies and over attackers on the bosses. If you have them in your clan I do not care. Letting them just attack bosses without limiting them to attacks points that are fair to others is unfair to you and your entire clan. I will not be part of it. If you get the max. boss positions filled or you find that you are running out time and want to increase the amount of points people can attack is fine. These are the things I do with my own bosses. I have chosen not to have some players in my clan but I am not going to say you should not or cannot have them in your clan to be in my clan just simply be fair to others in your clan.

 

i really know where your coming from with this

but i vote that its yours/others choice


and lets not get this thread all out of control

posts that are inappropriate will be deleted.

 

First of all.....THANK YOU for posting on this topic. Ive waited a long time for this subject to come up...and your post epitomizes the arrogance and hypocrisy of those that feel the way you do!

Love the title btw...great choice of words. I guess first of all we should all understand the definition of a "bully"...so here we go.......

Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior, which may manifest as abusive treatment, the use of force or coercion to affect others,[2] particularly when habitual and involving an imbalance of power. It may involve verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion and may be directed persistently towards particular victims, perhaps on grounds of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or ability.[3][4] The "imbalance of power" may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a "target."
Bullying consists of three basic types of abuse – emotional, verbal, and physical. It typically involves subtle methods of coercion such as intimidation.

So now that we all understand what "bullying" is....lets go back to your statement shall we........"So all of my clan members know. I have begun to remove clan members that allow players to attack their bosses unchecked.".....if this doesnt constitute " coercion".....than what does? You r flat out threatening your clan (whom u claim to be looking out for) that if they dont do what u deem is appropriate.....then u will declan them....DO U NOT SEE THE HYPOCRISY??????

Sure....u could argue that it is simply your choice and that u have that right...and u do. But SO DOES YOUR CLAN! Its their boss to do with as they choose. DO U NOT SEE THE ARROGANCE IN THINKING U KNOW WHATS BETTER FOR THEM THAN THEY DO?????

"If you have them in your clan I do not care. Letting them just attack bosses without limiting them to attacks points that are fair to others is unfair to you and your entire clan." Who the heck do u think u r......GOD???? what makes u think u have the right to decide whats fair for anyone other than yourself?


Answer me this....if its "not fair" that all of ones clan cant get a piece of a particular players boss.....than is it fair that players such as yourself and others in your armada share their best bosses only with their armada members and closest friends???? Hows that looking out for ALL your clan? CAN U SEE THE HYPOCRISY YET????

Kano implemented "limits" for bosses in order to give each and every player their own choice of what to do with their bosses....It came about due to "bullies" who would destroy a players boss despite their written intent of unlocks in the boss feed. So in essence.....what we have here with your post is a "bully" tactic that cites an anti "bullying" update by Kano as part of their reasoning.....THATS AN ABSOLUTE CLASSIC!

Since u have declanned and admonished me both publicly and privately for doing exactly what u proclaim here to be "unfair and "bullying".....I cant help but think that this post is aimed in at least part at me, Needles to say ...but I take great offense to this. For starters....once again its pure ARROGANCE to think u know whats best for my game or anybody elses.

I have tons of clan that specifically ask me to kill their bosses. If u see me kill a boss...chances are I was just asked to or have been told previously to kill at will...as is that boss owners right. Further more....most players ask if I would prefer they send them to me privately...to which I almost always respond no. Not only do I have great confidence in my ability to get most of the boss intended for me....but i also feel that if someone else is at the right place at the right time and r fast enough......then they fully desereve a piece of the pie....and I applaud them for it.

You proclaim that u want whats best for all by insisting that everyone gets a piece of everyones bosses....but all the while you and your armada r feasting themselves exclusively on their own better bosses. I wonder why that is? Maybe so you and yours become stronger than the masses u have so graciously self- anointed yourselves kings of....and try to impose your will through "bullying "tactics????

Ill tell ya what....I aint buying it. When I first came to PC and employed my style of play ....you and some of your ilk jumped all over me and tried to impose your selfish and dictator like ways on me. Since then I have been flooded with messages from players both thanking a and asking me to kill their bosses ....stating that they felt intimidated by your sort. Funny that those players u claim to be trying to help express nothing but gratefulness and relief to me.


In the end....its simple. we r all entitled to play r game the way we see fit and that fits are morals and our life styles. No one style or belief works for everybody especially when if its one of veiled arrogance greed and fear.


Sounds a whole lot to me like a certain groups long time dominance of the game brought on by fear and intimidation is feeling threatened .....and that the sweet scent of mutiny flows on the winds of change. About dang time I say!

 

First off , I am only responding to this because you included a poll. If you hadn't put up the poll then I would have stayed out of this thread as it has no bearing on me or my game. If I vote on a poll I feel the need to explain as to why I voted one way or the other. So....

Just tell us what your are really mad about. This to me looks like a round about way to get a point across to someone without stating what it is exactly you are ticked off about.

It's all good and I respect your decision to throw players out for not playing as you think they should as that is well within your rights. Have fun play how you want and I hope your clan-mates will play as the want.
As you stated, Kano has put in place a way to keep someone from over attacking your boss. For this reason I have to vote it is your choice how you want to do your bosses. Feel free to reply and change my mind.

 

I am not going to try and change your mind. The way I play this game is my choice. With my bosses I prefer to first allow my Armada to attack first. After that I go public with it. If I post it publicly I feel that everyone that wants to attack and there is room to do so to have that a right. That is why I set the limits. Unfortunately there are those still over attack them. If want it killed I let my armada know that the limit has been raised. If you want a person to kill the boss just send the link to that person do not post it publicly. This is the way I do it and chose not have members in my clan that submit to bullies. Thank you for your response, happy gaming.

 

First off, the LAST thing I want to do by replying to this topic is open myself up for more ridicule/harassment which in itself speaks to the whole of why the, Crew of Virtue was originated. Therefore, thank you, ATHEISTIC SATANIST for keeping personal differences aside and fulfilling your role as a moderator. Having said this, I am replying respectfully when I suggest that perhaps if one knew the history in, Pirate Clan, then statements like this…
“Sounds a whole lot to me like a certain groups long time dominance of the game brought on by fear and intimidation is feeling threatened .....and that the sweet scent of mutiny flows on the winds of change. About dang time I say!” …may be thought through before mud is slung at an, entire armada, simply based on personal dislikes/disagreements of the originator of this thread!

I digress…..

Different people have different definitions of bullying, but four characteristics qualify a situation as bullying: the behavior has to be intentional, be repetitive, be hurtful, and involve an imbalance of power.
• Intentional—People can hurt other people by accident. Bullying, however, is always intentional and meant to cause some sort of harm, whether it is physical or verbal. This behavior may persist even after the victim has asked the bully to stop.
• Repetitive—In most cases, bullying happens repeatedly. Bullies often target people who they know will not do anything about the behavior, so they can continue bullying as long as they like.
• Hurtful—Bullying is a negative behavior that may include physical or verbal harm. The types of hurtful behavior that qualify as bullying are varied, but they all cause harm of some sort to the victim.
• Imbalance of power—If two people hold an equal amount of power, one cannot bully the other. This imbalance of power can come from different sources, including age, size, strength, and social status.
I feel this is completely off topic but “bullying” should be addressed since both the originator and polishpimp have made it prevalent.

How we’ve decided as a whole to respond to these “bully’s” is not by lowering ourselves to their tactics, but instead to help our armada and captains build stronger pirates to defend/attack in what is a fighting app. It is not a forum to degrade, slander or belittle nor is it comprehendible that just for a few, “dominating” pirates blow through bosses just because they can, without giving a second thought to those who don’t have the stamina or health to do so in under a minute! Everyone knows, or should know that the drops/rewards from these bosses are needed in order to build a strong pirate, so just who is “veiling arrogance and greed” by not taking the time to check and see if all of the captains in these bosses have obtained their rewards? And why take the boss kill away from the boss owner? Surely they should at the very least be given that entitlement. But regardless, you need not “wonder” any longer as to why we choose who we want to “feast exclusively on our own bosses” as many pirates have chosen to do, due to the “dominating” ones. And I concur with you when you say “In the end....its simple. we r all entitled to play r game the way we see fit and that fits are morals and our life styles”
'''which is why my vote is - It is yours/others choice."

Not all are aware of the history or sensitivity of this topic, nor are they aware that they have the capability to set a boss damage control, and when realized they can, in doing so they now face the “fear” that there will be retaliation from a certain “dominating pirate” because they have utilized it. We are also being accused of telling pirates “how to play their game” by passing on this information, so rather then having to deal with this continuous BS I manage my clan as I see fit which is my entitlement! If I feel that a captain of mine is only benefitting the “dominate” pirates then why on earth should I give them the benefit of any of my bosses? But this is my personal opinion and it is not up to me to force it on anyone. In a nutshell, I firmly believe that we each have our own decisions to make on how we play, Pirate Clan. Good Luck!

 

i dont think anyone will argue that its the boss owners choice on how they handle their own boss

just like its anyone elses right to declan if they dont like the way its handled

dont think anyone will argue that

 

You define the words you want to spin I find very humorous but I will respond to your comments. I choose to play the game the way I do. I just think it is fair to let members in my clan know that if they choose not in my mind to be supportive of your entire clan I do not want you in it. Just because as an armada we have worked together to be as successful as we are. We do not intimidate or threaten members. If you do not support our way of playing then we just do not want you in it. If I choose to share my bosses with only those in my armada that is fine. I have no problem others doing the same thing. If you are going to publish it publicly then it means you want as many members of your clan that can get it have a chance. Posting it publicly and allowing just one player attack unchecked is not the way I play so that is why I do not have them in my clan. It is my choice, and if you choose to do it your way your are welcome to play that way. It does not make since to have someone over attack even though there have been limits set. You know exactly what I mean by that. Play the way you want and if I choose not to have you are anyone else in my clan, that is my choice and I will continue playing the way I do. I kill bosses if asked but also want to give as many of my clan members to have a chance at doing so as well. If you kill one of bosses getting to the max I have set so be. There are reasons you are no longer in my clan and reasons why I am no longer in others clans.

 

So you have deemed it upon yourself to edit my post? May I ask why? Could it be because your armada and alliances are the pirates making these profiles? But no worries my orginal post will go to, KANO with an official complaint about their newest mod being anything but objective.

 

read your private message

 

Hm, I personally try to kill all my bosses by myself, only when I'm lazy I ask others to help out. I sometimes check if all players have their rewards, but only when I set a limit, if I haven't set a limit it's always a Kill at Will boss. If I see someone who hasn't done the min, I'll usually message them, given that they have a chance to do the min damage. A level 100 will have a very hard time to deal 300k damage on a boss.

I don't care if I'm the one to kill my boss, if it's someone else it's fine by me. I mostly try to do the most damage on my own bosses, though.

I wouldn't tell anyone if they're allowed to stay in my clan, just cause they support a boss blaster.

And just for the record, I hardly see your Armada sharing the really good stuff like Sky Serpents. And I'm in a Top Armada on hi5, sharing the best bosses with all is done by almost all high level players in my clan there.

 

yes even ive started sharing my bosses there(view armada feed das)

there is no limit set on them simply because i want it dead

others that set a limit is totally fine as its there choice

and now within the last 2hrs of the boss the limit is voided

before i use to second guess myself before joining a boss with a limit

now with the limit lifted when 2hrs remain now can rush in and save it

even if not for that fairly recent update its someones choice to set a limit or not

its someones choice if they dont want to be in clan if limits arent set

everyone has their own style and not everyone will accept every style

theres always at least one or two styles that are legit that some just dont like

but as stated if you dont like the style then simply declan the player

usually though if you declan someone it can come back to bite like it did with me

but hey its a chance you take.

 

I believe people are on their right to post bosses in order to help their clan or to have them die fast. Those who are willing to share them to everyone already have the Max Damage feature at their disposal. If you want to declan people who play a different way, go ahead, it's your choice as well, and it seems like your gaming style, but you can't force others to play the same way. Cheers.

 

There are some things that are not allowed on the forum and both Moderators and Administrators will remove any posts (or edit out the material) that are in violation of our rules or TOS. I reviewed this edit and only the names were removed so the meaning of the post is intact.

 

LOL...your killing me here....r u listening to what your saying??? here...let me help u with a quote..."I just think it is fair to let members in my clan know that if they choose not in my mind to be supportive of your entire clan I do not want you in it.". Basically what u r saying here is that if some of your clan does not think the same way u do...then they r not being fair to the rest of your clan that does think like u, in other words...u r right and they are wrong. How in the heck is that being "fair" or "supportive" to all your clan? This is where the arrogance is....You r saying that if they dont see things the way u do...then they r wrong...GET IT?

In my opinion u r dead wrong....I think that your idea of helping is actually hurting players. U may be trying to "spread the wealth" but what u r actually doing is insuring that no one or group of players gets a leg up on anyone else...including your rivals or yourselves. You may very well be well intended...but your strategy is seriously flawed.

You obviously have the right to declan anyone u want for whatever reason u want. But in a game where clan count is so extremely important and their numbers so hard to come by.....when a player of your stature who resides in such a prominent armada such as yours announces publicly that he is going to declan anyone who doesnt do what he has deemed "fair" and/or supportive"..... Thats pushing your weight around...aka coercion/bullying

Calling Players who level with bosses "bullies" is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Its a perfectly legitimate strategy that has proven to be the fastest way to level and obtain the strongest accounts possible. The simple fact that u either choose to do it at a snails pace or didnt have the forethought to invest in stamina is on u.....it doesnt make those of us who did have the forethought and chose to level quickly bullies...what it means is that we have the drive and determination to do what we set out to do...WIN! This is a game based on stats and rankings is it not? Why on earth would I want to sit in the middle of the pack and beat half my rivals while the other half can whoop my butt?

What it boils down to is this.......Bullies r not players who hog bosses nor r they those who go out and beat on lower levels , we r pirates , vikings, zombies and mobsters....THATS WHAT THEY DO! In my opinion...in-game "bullies" are those who use their status, rank, numbers or influence to strong arm others into seeing things their way.

I personally never tell my guild or clan to do anything.. I offer advice only when asked or here in the forums. I rarely act on what someone else tells me but what i see or hear for myself first hand. If I see something that I personally object to than I deal with that player on an individual basis because I know that there r variables and extenuating circumstances that affect each and every one of us differently and make it all but impossible to either see or play things the same way. But thats just me...Ive never been fond of dictatorship or socialist ways

I realize that there is one particular player that is at the true center of this debate, although I dont think that killing bosses by the ton is bullyish.....its what he does when he doesnt get his way that is.....what u r doing is the the same thing ....just with a diff approach and on a smaller more mild scale

 

Just wonder if you have all thought this through, for the good of your entire clan. When you "share" each of your bosses until they are full, you limit them, usually down to the smallest level Kano allows, but often expect your clan to just know that they really shouldn't hit more than they absolutely must in order to receive the end rewards. What that does, in all reality, is severely lessen each contributor's chances of getting one or more of the extremely important, potentially game changing drops. With enough of those drops, one can either use them as weapons/warrior/ships as they are or blacksmith them into something far more powerful, thus strengthening their character. But when you don't get any, as is often the case, that isn't an option.

Further more, it could potentially take 3 or 4 days per boss for it to fill to capacity. Just one boss, mind you. We have the potential of a total of 17 bosses at this time, not counting world bosses, of course. Since bosses regenerate every two days, not killing them in a timely manner slows down the game, cheats anyone who would assist you with your bosses from getting more drops/rewards faster and doesn't allow you to "share" as often as you could. If you had all 17 bosses and took 4 days each to kill them, you would take 68 days to kill each one in turn. Meanwhile, the others have been sitting, doing nothing for any one else including you. In those same 68 days, by killing them promptly, you could have "shared" a total of 578 bosses with your clan you claim to look out for so carefully. Seems likely that more people would get a shot at them since they would be posted more often AND perhaps, by not limiting them so dictatorially, they might also have a chance at more drops. They do not die quickly when limited that tightly.

As for killing one's own bosses, purely from a game standpoint, it makes no difference. If it's your boss, you get the kill credit regardless.

We have a player in VC currently demanding that anyone in his clan limit their "good" bosses. There is no such thing as a "good" boss. They each offer something good, even the horrible exp. ones. They either offer fantastic exp., fantastic drops or both. It all depends on your level, the bosses' level and your firepower. Ones the majority of my clan would probably consider "bad" are actually very good ones for me. For one of the two reasons mentioned above. That same player making his demands is also sending his bosses privately to chosen players. That's his right, but seems pretty hypocritical if you ask me. I dumped him. Privately.

I may dump others in the future if I don't agree with their tactics, such as the originator of this thread, but I won't post that my clan do things my way or the highway. I will do it privately since it is NOT my place to tell them what to do. I consider that to be a bully.

 

i have to say, polish and jillian we might be bitter rivals (idk, if bitter is the right word but i thoroughly enjoy our encounters lol) but i respect and agree w/your comments in here.
it is absolutely silly for anyone to take a game serious enough to declan others for now following them or adhering to demands.
overall my .02 cents kano has set attack limits on rivals and bosses. we have more control than we've ever had and take the good updates w/the bad. we have mostly invested three freakin' years of free time into this game and at some point we all suck it up and continue on. it's a little late and insincere to declan people who play as they have for years. just silly. nobody should be crying bully and no one should be pointing fingers or putting themselves on pedestals. we're pirates arg....put ur peg leg on and buck up already! it is ridiculous that people will cry because they keep getting beat. toughen your weapons and defense, dont whine.
kano has always adjusted whether on our time line or theirs to cries of bullying. keep doing your little reporting and let them follow through. i really dont think anyone has accused them of not being involved. that's a part of their success. imo they have done a bang up job in keeping this game enjoyable. it's the drama and whining that's killing it.

*steps off soapbox, logs back out and goes to bounty polish* heh i keed...or am i....

 

Here's my 2 cents. It's up to the individual player if they want to limit the damage a clan member can do to their boss. I rarely ever do that, because when I post a BOSS I want it DEAD! Beside, 80 to 90% of my Bosses I kill by myself anyway (call me selfish).

So, given that any player can limit the damage to any given Boss makes this discussion pointless, in my opinion. And, a player with any experience at all in the game should know this. This is exactly what KANO had in mind by adding this feature.

Allen Sumaran
Level 4139 Blessed Thane Viking

 

I kill most of mine myself as well it just amazes me that people think you need to accept everyone even if they do not fit into your style of play. If someone wants kill their own bosses that is their choice. The reason that I have chose the path of removing people in my mind are submitting to certain bullies is because of the fact I truly believe those people are nothing more than clones. I hate cheaters, I have one account only and I choose not to pay my way to the top. It is not selfish to kill your own boss.

 

I do not publicly give names I have just chosen to publicly let people know why I am dropping people. I do not think that other clan members should have answer them why I have dropped them. Now they know why. I will not use names because a rival in player is also monitor of these things. I just do not think that should be allowed when this is supposed to be the section of voicing what is on your mind not what a rival considers to be wrong. I really think this a conflict of interest in this format. To set no limits does not allow for everyone to benefit from the boss, it just allows bullies and their cheats to get stronger and suppress those that are lower level. Kind of like the rich just getting richer yet pay less taxes than those that are making them richer. Limiting until everyone gets a chance allows lower levels a chance to get some of the drops.