Just curious as to when inventory makes a difference, lets say you hit tons of bosses & have tons of elite warriors & weapons & other players still have balders by the thousands, how is it possible for them to even come close to beating you when your inventory has the best of everything? now im not talking about players that are 1000's of levels apart here, lets say just a 1000 lvl's apart, the way i see it now is? hitting tons of bosses & wasting all those favor points to get drops makes no sense when all one has to do is keep adding skill points to attack............ I've had a few players ask me this same question & my answer is I have no idea how having the best of everything makes no difference at all,,,,,, does anyone? feel free to post if you do & thanks! I also lvl with a partner & use no darkwoads at all on my defense , all my warriors r stronger than darkwoads - when i elite those its 400+ & my lvl partner only gets 1xp more, what kind of math is that? lol
believe it or not i am wondering the same thing in pc right now my battlestrength is 200k over someones def and my def is 200k over their attack they win both ways? if thats supposed to be THE number how the heck is it possible
im level 8920something and still use legendary weapons from the freyja....so from that boss on up id say its a good bet to load up on those drops...still using legendary darkwoads for a little while as well so they get used for thousands of levels...its not a waste if you do it right
I was talking about players that are more or less equal in levels, like on kong where only about 1000 lvl's separate most, I have a lvl 9612 on kanoplay & better bosses & thought I understood the whole boss drop thing but on kong its a different beast all together, like I said it makes no sense for someone to even come close to beating another player when one still uses 1000's of balders & the other uses all boss drops & most are elites, same thing with weapons, like George said when one is 200,000-300,000 stronger on defense? how does the weaker player win? if it boils down to skill points added to attack? what is the point of boss drops & black smith when it really serves no purpose.
Some players invest in stam/energy and some don't, giving them a edge on allocated skill points to invest in other areas. My best guess.
attack and defense plays a huge part...if someone has lesser warriors/weapons but is loaded up on attack then it gives them an edge over the same inventory with less attack....all in all, loading up on the right drops will give you an extended edge over time...its not about the now, its where youll be 2k levels from now and what kind of warriors/weapons are equipped with your attack/defense
Okay, lets try a visual, if someone has Rambo as their point man? we'll call that attack - & cub scouts as troops? how can the cub scouts even come close to beating special forces? if it just comes down to attack verses defense? why waste stam on drops if it does no good? my question was when does inventory make a difference? - these 2 players are about 1200 lvl's apart - so how does over 9,000 balders almost beat the other player? 2,000 Chieftains Equal [ manage inner circle ] 2,000 Chieftains 20,000 Warriors 1 Golden Demon 1 Steel Spirit 1 Raven Man 3 Kano Shadowkings 1 Kano Mercenary 1 Kano Kriptknight 3 Kanodrakes 1 Kano Widowqueen 1 Cloud Caller 1 Blessed Warrior 1 Vampire Maiden 3 Kano Frost Giants 1 Kano Siren 4 Storm Chargers 2 War Mammoths 26 Honorguards 4 Tiger Mistresses 33 Dwemer Deathseekers 2 Tyr's Knights 64 Forsaken Giants 1 Dwarven Hewer 11 Grave Callers 4 Dark Lords 35 Forsaken Kings 1 Niflheim Dread Thane 2 Bifrost Sentinels 7 Njord The Goods 88 Spirit Guardians 8 Shadow Valkyries 3 Dragon Mans 68 Dragon Riders 3 Stone Knights 193 Elite Shapeshifter Assassins 292 Bladeslingers 5 Grove Tenders 94 Dreadnaughts 55 Elite Frost Mages 48 Frost Princesses 778 Vampire Elders 6 Arctic Rangers 208 Elite Mountain Guardians 7 Underworld Aefirs 10 Heathens 3 Transcendental Warriors 442 Elite Darkwoads 63 Arctic Knights 172 Elite Vampire Hunters 111 Grove Knights 112 Enchantresses 186 Elite Death Mistresses 5 Celestial Beings 57 Loki's Minions 214 Cursed Giants 569 Abominations 2,083 Serpent Mans 131 Flame Djinns 5 Battle Worn Warriors 18 Deathangels 8 Bruisers 9 Centaurs 204 Dwemer Lords 262 Underseekers 1,815 Warrior Twins 95 Fire Dancers 533 Light Elf Priests 228 Muspellspawns 1,755 Beast Tamers 17 Darkwoads 354 Warmasters 63 Dragon Warriors 44 Heroic Berserkers 11 Blazing Giants 292 Mountain Giants 445 Vanir Maidens 311 Honorable Warriors 121 Elven Captains 648 Time Keepers 58 Shadow Knights 682 Hel's Servants 330 Beastmasters 160 Inferno Demons 23 Mountain Guardians 333 Baldr's Followers 6 Snow Trolls 424 Harpy Witchs 9 Tundra Warriors 10 Heros 433 Myrkwood Elfs 2 Ivory Elfs 61 Ledhrblaka Warriors 1 Cavern King 77 Death Mistresses 5 Dwarven Berserkers 401 Tempest Maidens 14 Goliaths 259 Dwarf Berserkers 3,245 Flameweavers Stronger 20,000 Warriors 1 Halfling Rogue 1 Bloodline Guardian 1 Inferno Scouge 1 Kano Frost Giant 1 Kano Siren 1 Vampire Maiden 1 Kanodrake 1 Kano Kriptknight 1 Kano Widowqueen 1 Kano Mercenary 1 Skald Follower 1 Kano Shadowking 1 Elite Heathen 2 Tiger Mistresses 24 Dwemer Deathseekers 1 Elite Centaur 15 Forsaken Giants 7 Grave Callers 1 Niflheim Dread Thane 2 Bifrost Sentinels 38 Einherjer Spirits 3 Njord The Goods 19 Spirit Guardians 4 Shadow Valkyries 3 Dragon Riders 24 Elite Darkwoads 1 Elite Tundra Warrior 2 Stone Knights 75 Grove Knights 3 Grove Tenders 36 Dreadnaughts 9 Elite Death Mistresses 5 Celestial Beings 2 Arctic Rangers 5 Wolf Tamers 3 Underworld Aefirs 1 Heathen 5 Transcendental Warriors 30 Arctic Knights 138 Bladeslingers 38 Blade Mistresses 527 Vampire Elders 28 Elite Frost Mages 3 Time Keepers 80 Skullsmasher Dwarves 3 Flameweavers 8 Bruisers 2 Centaurs 135 Spearmaidens 26 Hel's Sycophants 139 Clan Guardians 7 Muspellspawns 4 Fire Fiends 15 Angel Warriors 104 Valkyries 50 Shadow Guards 41 Goddesses 248 Mountain Giants 8 Land's End Sentinals 98 Champions 187 Elven Captains 1,611 Berserker Chiefs 20 Veteran Warriors 111 Beastmasters 75 Elven Mages 8 Fire Trolls 22 Cavern Kings 6 Snow Trolls 189 Harpy Witchs 4 Tundra Warriors 1 Hero 20 Serpent Mans 10 Goliaths 1 Sorcerer Elf 1,142 Blizzard Kings 7 Mistrunners 110 Tempest Maidens 903 Warrior Twins 90 Dwemer Lords 5 Companion Elfs 246 Darkwoads 35 Warmasters 59 Light Elf Priests 148 Underseekers 1 Rock Giant 20 Legendary Axe Warriors 85 Utgard Guards 3 Cloudland's Guardians 30 Hel`s Harems 1,266 Shapeshifter Assassins 45 Legendary Sword Berzerkers 328 Heroic Berserkers 5 Elder Rock Giants 20 Legendary Warriors 3 Elder Frost Giants 1,756 Vampire Hunters 33 Hel's Servants 159 Honorable Warriors 36 Dragon Warriors 31 Inferno Trolls 9,134 Balder Proteges
well if the cub scouts have better training than the special forces then its a no-brainer who wins that fight ;p your comparison is a funny one but doesnt pertain to what we were discussing bud......lets say the guy with the balders has 10k attack and the other is defending with healer clerics and a defense of 1....guess who's gonna win? the skill point allocation has alot more to do with the battle calculations than certain parts of the game lead you to believe....the battle strength tab has skewed some peoples opinions of how important the skill points allocated to attack and defense really are
Yeah it kinda does, my point is your inventory really does not help in battle much, it all comes down to how much skill points the enemy has on attack vs your defense skill points, boss drops n black smith looks good in your inventory but that is just about it, iv had a lot of people ask me about warriors n weapons, now i can send them here lol.........................
inventory DOES matter down the road...at level 3k? not too important but after that it starts to play a bigger role the higher you get
Lol, was not talking bout lvl 3k's - was talking about lvl's within 1k of each other, take you & me for example, your mostly all attack so my inventory really does no good on kanoplay, its 1 reason i no longer hit lots of bosses there - now if I were talking about players 3-5000 lvl's apart? inventory plays a part in it but so does all the extra skill points
yeah but im only one person, im sure there are instances when it comes into play.....and if you hadnt stopped playing as much over here, im sure it would be alot tougher for me to win....and using me as an example isnt really conducive to this thread, i have one the top inventories in the game on server 2 so there arent many within a few thousand levels i cant beat...guess that may sound a little conceited but its the truth
All I'm saying is? inventory does not help much in battle when players are within 1000 lvl's of each other, it makes no sense being that way but its the way it is, it comes down 2 attack skill points vs defense skill points, total attack & total defense really plays no role if someone has enough attack, my question was when does inventory make a difference? it does not unless the players are 1000's of lvl's apart, its been proved time after time, you can have a junk inventory n still beat a much stronger inventory with enough attack..........
Inventory does help out quite a bit, but allocation of skill points PVP is always more of a factor in battle. I have a few friends same level their attack is higher than my defense allocation of skill points, but still lose due to our differences in inventory.
For a start if you are talking about someone 1000 levels above you then consider that they have earned 5k more skill points to allocate if that has all gone on att/def you stand no chance. In my opinion mainly because you seem to be spending your stamina on your own bosses not on helping on other peoples bosses. Random drops from your own bosses don't mean as much as help rewards from others.
This is true, but the drop rate for bosses that you haven't unlocked yourself is terrible, even if you have friends willing to give them to you entirely. I'm nowhere near the levels of some of the posters in this thread, but I have already seen the impact of skill allocation on my ability to win battles.
Yes that is very true the random attack drops from unlocked bosses is horrid for me. I have some higher level friends who send me their bosses with a very high set slider, on occasions I have done well above the min dam for the help reward yet not get one random drop. So be it they are called random for a reason LOL. Next to no amount of bosses worked or helped will beat a high level of att/def. I am far stronger in PC with 15k more bosses helped there and can beat a few players 500 levels above me but I also have a few players who have dumped loads of skill points into def to last longer in the arenas, they have the 10k def achievement and I have around 8500 att and can't beat them even though one has only helped 1k bosses to my 36k. For Lucifer here is a snippet of my warrior list for you to compare ...... 33 Troll Captains 1 World Warden 48 Master Healers 3 Storm Chargers 1 Shifting Assassin 8 Warbirds 50 Wood Elf Captains 30 Paladin Sages 6 War Mammoths 98 Serpent Slayers 21 Honorguards 119 Rogue Mercenarys 52 Healer Clerics 222 Northguards 372 Bone Drakes 288 Blacksmiths 1,209 Damned Elven Queens 6 Tiger Mistresses 39 Dwemer Deathseekers 7 Tyr's Knights 43 Greater Imps 7 Elite Centaurs 18 Forsaken Giants 12 Dwarven Hewers 525 Grave Callers 21 Dark Lords 17 Niflheim Dread Thanes 17 Bifrost Sentinels 35 Blade Mistresses 16 Njord The Goods 13 Spirit Guardians 32 Shadow Valkyries 21 Dragon Mans 73 Angel Guardians 8 Elite Tundra Warriors 6 Elite Heros 23 Stone Knights 100 Elite Shapeshifter Assassins 1,454 Bladeslingers 23 Grove Tenders 1,443 Dreadnaughts 57 Aurora Knights 40 Elite Frost Mages 2,621 Vampire Elders 6 Arctic Rangers 123 Elite Mountain Guardians 18 Wolf Tamers 35 Underworld Aefirs 37 Heathens 22 Transcendental Warriors 101 Elite Berserker Chiefs 173 Elite Darkwoads 51 Arctic Knights 185 Elite Vampire Hunters 1,549 Grove Knights
Oh and Lucifer I don't use any weapons from my own bosses. I have the Norns open yet don't use the weapons from the Ymir or Hells Rising only the warriors in either att or def depending on the weighting of the stats.
thats only true for a while, those rewards become useless once you reach 7k...i have thousands and thousands of useless rewards i spent countless stams acquiring....what matters alot later in the game is weapon inventory, good weapons become scarce higher up and good warriors are plentiful and the whole boss reward thing becomes pointless cause not many have the bosses to share for us to get rewards from
but back to the question at hand...is it a waste of stams? no. the drops and rewards are used for quite a while and stams regen and you get dailys and boosts so youre not really wasting anything. there is always going to be someone that can beat you no matter what you do or who you are. frustrating as it may be, it is what it is